Right: Mrs Jeanette Warke, attending a three-day workshop at Lusty Beg, Co Fermanagh, Northern Ireland (photo: Personal collection).
Jeanette Warke is the Project Manager of the Cathedral Youth Club (CYC) at the Fountain Estate, Derry/Londonderry. The Fountain Estate is a Protestant/Loyalist neighbourhood in the Maiden City's predominantly nationalist-Catholic-republican Cityside, and the CYC is the main centre of reunion for young people in the Fountain Estate. Youth work has been a family affair of the Warkes for many years, and the services Jeanette renders to the community are invaluable.
A prominent personality involved in many a community relations initiative in the North-West of Northern Ireland, Jeanette took a 'wee minute' off her busy schedule to chat to me about her career, how she started youth work and her future projects. Here's an edited version of the full interview with Jeanette:
1. Mrs Warke, many thanks for accepting to be interviewed. To begin with, could you tell us a little about your background, where you were born in, and what your early childhood was like?
I was born in Belview Avenue Derry, on 11 Feb 1944. I have 2 brothers and a sister. I was born to a working class family. My father was a painter. My mother didn’t work; she stayed in the house and looked after the children. I went to Primary School in Bishop Street, and then I went to Templemore High School. After that, worked in a grocery store called Maypole. That’s where the Richmond Centre is now.
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Right: Jeanette at work: the Project Manager's office at CYC Londonderry (photo: personal collection)
2. During your high school days, did you show any interest in youth work or community relations work?
At that time, there was no such word as community relations. Everybody played together grew up together, and there was never a problem around religion.
3. Could you tell me a word about your marriage?
Yes. I met David, my late husband, in my mid teens. We got married at St Coulomb’s Cathedral in June 1963.
4. How did you develop an interest in youth work?
In 1972, we were living in Mountjoy Street, off Abercorn road. That’s close to the Fountain estate and right down the interface now. We had to move to Newbuildings, on the Waterside. People were actually intimidated out of their homes. There was a big exodus from both sides of the city- Catholics who lived in the Waterside moving to the Cityside and Protestants in the Cityside moving to the Waterside. It was at that time that the Dean of Derry, George Good, asked David and I if we would like to start a youth club in the Fountain Estate.
5. What would you describe as the primary incentives that motivated you to get involved in youth work?
A At the beginning, we opened a youth club only on Friday nights. I saw how young people were enjoying themselves. I was so happy to see them having fun and, it gave them an alternative to joining paramilitary groups, which were very active at that time. I quickly became very interested in what David and I were doing.
6. In the late 60s and early 70s, how did you perceive the civil rights movement and the troubled situation in the city of Derry/Londonderry? How would you describe the impact such events had on your life?
Well, we had to leave our homes. We had no civil rights to stay in our homes because of the civil rights movement. Both Protestants and Catholics, we were all in the same boat. We had no jobs; we all had outside toilets and no bathrooms. And then there was the ‘one man one vote’ system: everything depended on where you lived to make sure that your vote counts. If your vote wouldn’t count, you wouldn’t have got a house or nothing. You had to live in the right area to make sure that your vote was counted. It was a difficult time. I don’t think that it was only the Catholics who had problems. All of us working class people had so many problems.
7. At the outset, when your late husband took the initiative to create the Cathedral Youth Club in the Fountain Estate, what were your primary (i.e. initial) perceptions about the project?
Well, we were a young family at the time. When David got involved in youth work, knew it would take up a lot of our time from your own children. That was while doing it only doing one night a week. We had no social life, as everybody would go out on a Friday night, whereas we had to be at the youth club.
8. How do you describe the role(s) you have played in the community relations sector in Northern Ireland?
I do hope and believe that I have had a significant impact on the people, mainly by my efforts to bringing people together, and breaking a lot of barriers. I’ve done such activities with all age groups, with both the young and old.
9. What, in your opinion, have been the major projects you were involved in?
Working with the Claudy families of victims of Claudy blasts. Three car bombs exploded in Claudy (a village near Derry) on 31 July 1972, killing nine people including children. These innocent people were blown up by three car bombs set by the Provisional IRA. I was charged with the task of building a memorial for the dead. I organised a lot of events and ended up collecting 26,500 Pounds. The Claudy bomb victims memorial was erected in Claudy in 2000.
10. Which project do you consider as your favourite? Could you give us any reasons for this choice?
Well… I love doing a lot of community relations work. I really like bringing people together. One of the groups I have set up is an Irish history group. It is composed Catholic and Protestant women, & we explore aspects of Irish history, especially the role of women. We’re working on our third book now. It is called ‘Women emerging from the shadows’. We try to show the importance of women’s roles in Irish history. The book will be published in March 2009. I’m also working on another interesting project. Young people from the Catholic areas and the Fountain Estate get together, to go and interview older people who lived in a different time. When they were young, they grew up together, and there were no sectarian barriers. I think that the life experiences of elderly people from that generation show today’s young lads how they co-exist with each other, and avoid violence. We’re going to publish a book of interviews and memoires called ‘Past the jail & camp; down behind the fountain’ in April 2009.
11. How do you describe the primary challenges you have faced as a community relations worker?
Well… the challenges to me were….sometimes you know when a project is up and running, there are sectarian attacks, which will take you back to square one again. This can result in setbacks, and times can be difficult. The main way to manage such situations is by focusing on my goals and keeping the projects going.
12. What kind of measures or strategies have you employed over the years to overcome such challenges?
Persistence. I am always optimistic and I never give up. I’ve learnt to face challenges and not to take things personally.
13. How did you perceive the signing of the Belfast Agreement in 1998? It is widely regarded as a milestone in the challenging road to peace in Northern Ireland. What are your perceptions? Did the Agreement and subsequent developments have any positive impact on your own work?
Well, indeed when it was singed we were full of hope, we were looking forward for peace, But that promise of peace didn’t last for long, and we felt led down by the politicians. The last few years have been very negative, with up and down developments ….its been negative. People in Derry have strong will power, and they do want peace. We’ve no baggage; people want to get on with their lives. They don’t want to get back to the Troubles again.
14. Today, as a Project Manager of a youth club and as a senior figure in the community relations scene, what kind of progress do you notice with regards to inter-communal coexistence?
Well, I can see that people now, women in particular are very keen to work together and move on. And they prioritise what’s important for us: selling the City to the tourists, getting more jobs and opportunities. We don’t get hung up in the name of the City. We want to get more jobs, sell our city to tourists and make this a better place. There are more amenities coming to the city. We have lots of potential, so there’s no time to waste holding on to past grudges. Peoples’ attitudes are indeed changing. That’s a very good sign.
15. What can you say about the attitudes of young people towards sectarianism?
Young people are very hard to work with, Especially the 10 to 14 age group. I find the older ones are starting to see that they need jobs, and once they have a job and a stable income, they tend to leave sectarianism behind them. It all depends on what age they are. A lot of work has to be done with young people. Most definitely, if we can get them motivated and get them jobs, there will be fewer problems with the older lads.
16. So you think that if prompt measures are taken to develop more opportunities for upward social mobility for the young people across the sectarian divide, we can keep the youth away from sectarian violence?
Most definitely, yes. That’s what we need.
1 17. Looking back at your career, how do view your contributions to facilitate inter-group and inter-communal coexistence and reconciliation?
I would hope that I’v been able to make worthwhile achievements. I’m able to work with everybody….yes….I’m able to work with everybody; I have worked with Protestants, Catholics, Chinese, Iranians and so many different groups. As long as you’re open and honest with people, and respect each other and their culture, all goes well. I don’t have any hang-ups. I always say that people need to have a lot of respect for each other. I was brought up to respect people. My parents reared me like that.
1 18. When talking about mutual respect and understanding, can you say a word about your relations with Her Exellency An Uachtaráin na hÉireann ?
Certainly. President Mary McAleese has visited the Cathedral Youth Club. It was she who unveiled the memorial stone of David Warke, my late husband and founder of the Youth Club. I see her as a fantastic person, I like her values, and I think she has very fair policies. She is a woman, and she understands the situation in the North, and I find her very intelligent. I have taken a lot of groups to Áras An Uachtaráin. I’ve taken different groups of people there, including a group of women from the Fountain Estate. I’ve also taken young people from the Cathedral Youth Club. We first went to Dublin and met with young people from Ballyfermott, Dublin and we all went to Áras {An Uachtaráin} together. It was a fantastic weekend that really helped change perceptions of young lads from here {the Fountain Estate} about sectarianism and violence.
19. What are your aspirations for Northern Irish society? Do you believe that the sectarian divide could be successfully bridged (in other words, could Northern Irish society become a non-sectarian and inclusive society in future)?
Well to be honest I don’t know; its very far down the road yet. A lot of work is to be done yet. There’s a lot of trust to be built. This is not easy. It will definitely take a very, very long time. Willingness from small groups or one section of society is certainly not enough. Every sector in society has to work hard to reach this goal. It’s a collective thing you see….
20. On a personal note, do you have any specific career goals or plans?
Plans for me? Retirement! I would love to retire and to go to France and walk about all the battlefields {in Messines, on the border between France and Belgium}. I take groups there every year and I’ve been doing that for the past 8 years. I find it so moving. People realise how futile war is. It’s such a waste of life and so many stories are yet to be told. It’s too many lives lost for nothing.
21. How supportive have the members of the Warke household been in your community relations initiatives? What kind of support do you get from them?
Left: Alan Warke, Jeanette's eldest son, is a full-time youth worker at CYC (photo: Personal collection)
Well, David and I always worked together. If not we could not have come this far. It was much easier doing it all together. We supported each other. We had the same interests. All our children were brought up in the youth club environment and they have always supported the work. They are better kids for that. They have no hang-ups and they have catholic friends, and friends from different ethnic and religious backgrounds. They are broadminded, and good citizens. At the moment, two of my sons, Alan and Graeme are working as full-time youth workers with me.
Peace,
Chaminda